Episode 208 – Johnny Destructo, Ambush Bug, and Optimous Douche review this week’s books: Forever Evil 5, Turok Dinosaur Hunter 1, Joker’s Daughter 1, Sidekick 5, Loki Agent of Asgard 1, Punisher 1, and Ms Marvel 1!

Johnny Destructo, Ambush Bug, and Optimous Douche review this week’s books: Forever Evil 5, Turok Dinosaur Hunter 1, Joker’s Daughter 1, Sidekick 5, Loki Agent of Asgard 1, Punisher 1, and Ms Marvel 1!

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11 Comments to “Episode 208 – Johnny Destructo, Ambush Bug, and Optimous Douche review this week’s books: Forever Evil 5, Turok Dinosaur Hunter 1, Joker’s Daughter 1, Sidekick 5, Loki Agent of Asgard 1, Punisher 1, and Ms Marvel 1!”

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  1. RolandDeschain says:

    Ms Marvel was a great 1st issue, whats wrong with something a little different Bug? And what do you have against Dragons and Unicorns? Somebody had some sand in his vagina while reading this book…

  2. CHARLES says:

    Hi guy,

    Ms Marvel #1 was pretty awesome. I’m don’t agree at all with the assertion that white people were depicted badly in the book. You’d be surprised at how many people completely misunderstand muslims in the U.S (which by the way is a religion not a race nor ethnicity) and the book very gently but effectively dealt with the ignorance. I think folks need to give the book a chance because it’s doing something completely different. I understand’s Bug’s irritation at the massive

    I also think you guys need to give more Marvel books a chance. Between Hawkeye, Uncanny Avengers, Mighty Avengers (which J.D hates), Thor: God of Thunder, Daredevil, Superior Spider-man and New Avengers, Marvel is putting out some of the best books on the market.

  3. charles says:

    Previous commenter here, I think you guys need an edit button here, anyways, this is the complete comment:

    Hi guy,

    Ms Marvel #1 was pretty awesome. I’m don’t agree at all with the assertion that white people were depicted badly in the book. You’d be surprised at how many people completely misunderstand muslims in the U.S (which by the way is a religion not a race or ethnicity) and the book very gently but effectively dealt with the ignorance. The writer, G.Willow Wilson is a white woman that converted to Islam, so I think she knows a thing or two about some white american ignorance. I think folks need to give the book a chance because it’s doing something completely different.

    I understand’s Bug’s irritation at the massive hype for comics these days but minority led titles tend to suffer in the direct market and without the publicity or the hype, books like Ms Marvel will sink without a trace.

    I also think you guys need to give more Marvel books a chance. Between Hawkeye, Uncanny Avengers, Mighty Avengers (which J.D hates), Thor: God of Thunder, Daredevil, Superior Spider-man and New Avengers, Marvel is putting out some of the best books on the market.

  4. def says:

    When the topic of the simplistic portrayal of enemies came up, and Bug said he had something to say later, I knew it was going to be about Ms. Marvel!

    Just a few minutes before, I was listening to you guys talk about Turok the drunken casino operator with a dream-catching business or whatever was said, then you have this guy complaining about simplistic portrayals of white people in Ms. Marvel…

    Now, essentially, I agree with his notion that art by executive edict is not pleasant. Much like the 80′s had people in wheelchairs shoved into stories since they are the cutest of handicapped. But I don’t think that’s the case here. I think Marvel said they were open to something outside the general norm, and this was something submitted. The writer seems attached to the character and has developed her, which would be difficult if it were just a job. On top of that, the character is Pakistani, and, being honest, there are a lot more attractive cultures that could have been chosen other than Pakistan’s. That’s not my personal opinion, just the way Pakistan reads in American culture. It’s not well-regarded. So the book seems organic to me, and doesn’t feel like a checklist of an after-school special teaching us that people are different (*ahem* Northstar coming out*)

    Anyway, even the thing about the dumb white characters, YES, white people do act this way. I’ve acted this way around people from other countries when I was younger. I’ve lived in Japan for ten years, and people still tell me I use chopsticks well (because it’s so goddam hard). I was literally complimented on it for the 100th time today. A lot of people treat minorities weird. Not everyone, but it’s a very fair story point. I think the comic was being very generous in those kids portrayal, at the near-complete lack of malice. I’m not an American teenager, but I remember people being pretty obnoxious in high school to ‘brown’ people. It’s probably a little better now, but it’s never going to be gone.

    Rather than worry that the book makes white people look stupid, roll your eyes at how stupid white people can be. It is embarrassing sometimes (and white people in Japan do the same thing too; project their stereotypes onto the host country. Embarrassing!)

    *SPOILER*
    But the most important thing is, it was a good read, with remarkable story telling. And what about that shape shift twist?! If the writer is good, that is going to lead into a whole lot of complicated stuff. The kid can be whatever she wants, and she shape shifts into an All-American tall blonde woman. That is deep psyche sort of stuff, and I hope the sort of love/hate of a person growing up as a minority in America has with their cultural identity gets explored.

  5. JayDee says:

    bwahahaha!
    I couldn’t even get through that whole comment! I had to stop reading and give props to this:

    “Just a few minutes before, I was listening to you guys talk about Turok the drunken casino operator with a dream-catching business or whatever was said, then you have this guy complaining about simplistic portrayals of white people in Ms. Marvel…”

    well done!!!!

    -JD

  6. Homer Sexual says:

    Hey Guys

    Love you as always, but this week you really seemed like adolescent white guys, resistant to anything that didn’t appeal to the straight white guy market. And waaay too focused on bodily fluids.

    Joker’s Daughter was interesting. Not outstanding but much better than Nocenti’s intro. It seemed like you give a pass to typical white guy fare while disdaining anything different as “niche.” Isn’t the straight white guy market its own niche?

    Having said that, Loki definitely seemed geared to the girl/gay market, with lots of gratuitous Loki nudity, kinda surprised no one (Ambush) had an issue with that.

    Islam is a religion, not exactly a culture. I have a hard time with anything that shouts “Muslim Heroine” as I would with “Christian Hero” but if it is worked in naturally, its good. If that’s what its focused on, thats bad. The Simpsons has tons of Christianity in it without being “Christian” and I wonder if Ms. Marvel fits that bill or not. I haven’t read it because, as a gay person, I have a hard time buying a book promoting a religion that wnts me dead, but I’d love to hear what you think of how the religion is presented in the context of the story.

    Will be here next week, as always!

    Homer

  7. JD (Host) says:

    Hey! Straight white guy market? Don’t lump me in with those heathens. I loved Loki and Ms Marvel. I’m practically a gay Muslim lol! Yeah I was waiting for Bug to have an issue with Loki’s shower scene too :)

  8. HEY!!! I liked Ms. Marvel as well.

    I went to school with a ton of muslims and this was back in the 80s and wary 90s. I have been called everything from Goy Toy by my Jewish friends, Breeder by my gay friends (even though I don’t have kids) and Imperialist by my Indian friends.

    Why the names? Because stereotypes are usually, in large part true, that’s kind of how they became stereotypes. The burden to change those perceptions rests upon individuals.

    I hate everyone in a group and then make exceptions on person by person basis.

    Whitey is obnoxious – and when I have been able to buy 3 dreamcatchers from American Indians – I wonder where I ever picked up the stereotype. Although to be fair they could have been Mexicans. I don’t know, they were brown and wore feathers.

  9. def says:

    What are you being sensitive about, Douche? Who said you couldn’t tell racist jokes… er, make jokes using stereotypes?

    I wasn’t, for sure. Just making a note that Bug loses the right to complain about the portrayal of white people when he is on a podcast like this. If he wants to complain about the portrayal of any group that is not the one he’s in, that might be respected. But his own group? No. It’s not offensive or anything, just kind of embarrassing.

  10. Matt Adler says:

    If I had been on this week, I would have brought up the frightening case of the Black Bomber:

    http://comicsvault.blogspot.com/2010/07/great-moments-in-comics-black-bomber.html

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